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kajamix
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We play in Greece through the opap.gr organization in collaboration with the French pmu.
I always knew of the site pmu.fr with programs and results.
But now there is this one:
http://www.horseraces.pmu.fr
They say the first is for internet betting and the other one is for land based betting.
The prices of opap.gr are the same as those of the "land betting site".
Is there a difference between the two (other than differences due to coincidence) ?
And why pmu took the trouble to split their pool two ways ? |
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kajamix
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They don't say.
Some people think the "point au vent" gives poor prices.
A friend said about a trio he won, it was 260.00 on pmu.fr but only 60.00 in the other one.
He did n't know what was going on so we called opap.gr help desk and they gave us the explanation.
Also the day before "point au vent" paid another trio 1500.00, whereas on pmu.fr it was 300.00.
So sometimes coincidences cause big differences.
But I 'd like to know what exactly is going on.
Pmu themselves don't seem to like to give an answer. |
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emlin
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They don't say.
Some people think the "point au vent" gives poor prices.
A friend said about a trio he won, it was 260.00 on pmu.fr but only 60.00 in the other one.
He did n't know what was going on so we called opap.gr help desk and they gave us the explanation.
Also the day before "point au vent" paid another trio 1500.00, whereas on pmu.fr it was 300.00.
So sometimes coincidences cause big differences.
But I 'd like to know what exactly is going on.
Pmu themselves don't seem to like to give an answer. |
Average odds are the same land based and internet betting.
Amount of people makes a lot to have better odds.
One day you have hight odds, the other not. |
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kajamix
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Average odds are the same land based and internet betting.
Amount of people makes a lot to have better odds.
One day you have hight odds, the other not. |
So no "foul play", only random fluctuations you say.
Let's hope so.
But why make two pools where one suffices ?
If I buy a ticket from a terminal and if I buy through internet, they can go to the same stream of data and be counted together.
If it is Zeturf and Pmu they will obviously create different pools.
But Pmu and Pmu ? |
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emlin
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| kajamix a écrit: | | emlin a écrit: |
Average odds are the same land based and internet betting.
Amount of people makes a lot to have better odds.
One day you have hight odds, the other not. |
So no "foul play", only random fluctuations you say.
Let's hope so.
But why make two pools where one suffices ?
If I buy a ticket from a terminal and if I buy through internet, they can go to the same stream of data and be counted together.
If it is Zeturf and Pmu they will obviously create different pools.
But Pmu and Pmu ? |
Because people who bet in a land based don't want intrnet noob to make random odds. |
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kajamix
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Because people who bet in a land based don't want intrnet noob to make random odds. |
Noob means "newbie" ?
So the newbie will do what exactly ?
In my pool betting I might not want sharks to be my co-players, meaning by "sharks" people who can afford high stakes.
But newbies ? What can they do ?
Can you explain the logic a bit more ? |
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emlin
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Because people who bet in a land based don't want intrnet noob to make random odds. |
Noob means "newbie" ?
So the newbie will do what exactly ?
In my pool betting I might not want sharks to be my co-players, meaning by "sharks" people who can afford high stakes.
But newbies ? What can they do ?
Can you explain the logic a bit more ? |
It's a way to get more reliable odds, that's all. |
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emlin
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When thousand people bet 1.5€ on a huge odds, the odds low very much and odds is no more reliable.
If too many people can bet like that on internet, people in a land based pmu will think that the horse have a guy who bet 1000€, and they might think he is going to win, but it's only 1000 noob who have bet 1.5€. |
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emlin
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Sorry, correction:
When thousand people bet 1.5€ on a huge odds, odd low very much and become not reliable.
If too many people can bet like that on internet, people in a land based pmu will think that a guy have bet 1500€, and they might think he is going to win, but it's only 1000 noob who have bet 1.5€. |
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kajamix
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| emlin a écrit: | Sorry, correction:
When thousand people bet 1.5€ on a huge odds, odd low very much and become not reliable.
If too many people can bet like that on internet, people in a land based pmu will think that a guy have bet 1500€, and they might think he is going to win, but it's only 1000 noob who have bet 1.5€. |
So -you suggest- people complained about this and the pmu to satisfy them solit the pools.
I can hardly follow the reasoning of course.
The only reasoning that might make sense is that of the sharks. But rather likely pmu or anyone else would want to mix the sharks with the small fish than do the opposite.
Let me tell you two stories.
First story there was a hot forecast and I wager 20 euros in a neighbourhood shop.
The tv channel has a break down.
We ask the shopkeepers to dial one of the telephone numbers that do commentary. She says "some smart guys I have here, who will pay for the bill ?".
Then I go and ask her "please tell me what this forecast will pay if you were to pay us from the money collected in this shop only, after the proper deductions".
I got her interested, she works it out, she says 9.40 !
Wow that's impossible I said.
The time passes, the result comes through, my forecast wins. Price 2.90.
The other story is from the year 1997.
Tricast begins. But the central computer system is not ready. They use home pcs in some little huts around the paddock area in the race course. You had to queue.
One of those days I spot a very hot favourite - two three classes above the others in a 1000 meter race. Had to fall down to lose. There are let's say 4-5 horses that can finish second or third.
I chose one combination, I stand in the queue. The others in the queue were all poor Chinese and Egyptian stable workers,
The tricast wins. I get paid 100 to 1.
These days such a thing could barely pay more than 8.00.
So you see the difference - no sharks !
But anyway if what you say was pmu's reasoning, then perhaps it was. |
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kajamix
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So maybe it's the other way round then ?
If the internets are mostly low purse customers, then pmu wants to make it a little more favourable for them, by separating them from the sharks. |
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emlin
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| kajamix a écrit: | | emlin a écrit: | Sorry, correction:
When thousand people bet 1.5€ on a huge odds, odd low very much and become not reliable.
If too many people can bet like that on internet, people in a land based pmu will think that a guy have bet 1500€, and they might think he is going to win, but it's only 1000 noob who have bet 1.5€. |
So -you suggest- people complained about this and the pmu to satisfy them solit the pools.
I can hardly follow the reasoning of course.
The only reasoning that might make sense is that of the sharks. But rather likely pmu or anyone else would want to mix the sharks with the small fish than do the opposite.
Let me tell you two stories.
First story there was a hot forecast and I wager 20 euros in a neighbourhood shop.
The tv channel has a break down.
We ask the shopkeepers to dial one of the telephone numbers that do commentary. She says "some smart guys I have here, who will pay for the bill ?".
Then I go and ask her "please tell me what this forecast will pay if you were to pay us from the money collected in this shop only, after the proper deductions".
I got her interested, she works it out, she says 9.40 !
Wow that's impossible I said.
The time passes, the result comes through, my forecast wins. Price 2.90.
The other story is from the year 1997.
Tricast begins. But the central computer system is not ready. They use home pcs in some little huts around the paddock area in the race course. You had to queue.
One of those days I spot a very hot favourite - two three classes above the others in a 1000 meter race. Had to fall down to lose. There are let's say 4-5 horses that can finish second or third.
I chose one combination, I stand in the queue. The others in the queue were all poor Chinese and Egyptian stable workers,
The tricast wins. I get paid 100 to 1.
These days such a thing could barely pay more than 8.00.
So you see the difference - no sharks !
But anyway if what you say was pmu's reasoning, then perhaps it was. |
No sharks, horse races are random |
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kajamix
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| Posté le: 17 Jan 2018 21:44 Sujet du message: |
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No sharks, horse races are random |
Random ?
How long have you been following the game ?
I said 20 euros before for that "certainty" and I was on a losing streak as I recall.
Make that 5000 euros if I was a shark.
Theoretically it's going to work the other way round if something happens that escapes everybody. I.e. the pool of the poor guys has an advantage -because the 5000 euros of the shark will be eaten up- but only theoretically. |
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